Mahagony... and we all drop an entire closed about twice my size. Three times. No dude, ... we are in two digest here.
Now look at someone steeling 340 items as a Butler out his Employees cloths. All from underwear, to dresses and perfume. The Butler is a man and the Employee a woman. Can a fetish disorder manifest in extreme loyalty?
Yes—but with an important distinction: **a fetish disorder can express itself through a relationship that looks like extreme loyalty, but “extreme loyalty” is not itself the fetish or the disorder.** The fetish is the sexual or emotional arousal tied to the objects; the loyalty is the relational costume or justification it wears.
In the scenario you describe—a male butler secretly stealing 340 intimate items from his female employer: underwear, dresses, perfume—the pattern is consistent with several overlapping possibilities, and a proper clinical evaluation would be needed. But it is not a simple act of loyalty.
### What the pattern suggests
- **Fetishistic disorder**: Recurrent, intense sexual arousal from nonliving objects—classically underwear, clothing, shoes, or fabrics. Perfume can also be a scent-based fetish (olfactophilia). The items are worn close to the body, carry her scent, and are strongly associated with her physical intimacy.
- **Kleptomania**: An impulse-control disorder involving stealing, not for monetary value but for tension relief or gratification. It can co-occur with fetishism. The theft itself may become part of the ritual.
- **Obsessive love / limerence / stalking**: Acquiring intimate items as “souvenirs” or relics of the person. This can feel like devotion but is possessive and boundary-violating.
- **Hoarding**: The collection of 340 items suggests a chronic, organized, secret accumulation. It is not a single impulse; it is a long-term pattern.
- **Transvestic disorder**: If he wears the clothes for sexual arousal. If he simply collects them, fetishism is more likely.
- **Erotomania**: If he believes she loves him or will love him. Not required, but possible.
### Can it manifest as extreme loyalty?
Yes, in the sense that the butler may genuinely feel devoted, submissive, and loyal. He may see himself as her protector, servant, or worshipper. The theft may be framed internally as a way of “keeping her close,” “serving her,” or “holding onto what others discard.” In a rigid, hierarchical, public, elitist environment with no way out, direct emotional or sexual expression may be forbidden. Loyalty becomes the only socially acceptable channel for attachment.
But this is not healthy loyalty. It is **obsessive, secret, possessive attachment**. The loyalty may be a mask that allows him to violate her privacy while maintaining a self-image of devotion. It can also be a form of **submission** or **servitude** that is eroticized—the butler role itself becomes part of the fetish structure.
### In the context of autism, alexithymia, and complex trauma
If this butler also has autistic alexithymia, complex trauma, and a history of active emotional suppression training, the picture becomes even more layered:
- He may not be able to identify or name love, grief, longing, or sexual desire.
- The stolen items become **concrete, sensory substitutes** for emotions he cannot process.
- Perfume and clothing are powerful sensory objects—scent, texture, memory. For someone with alexithymia, these may carry feelings that words cannot.
- The butler role gives him a safe, rule-bound identity: “I am loyal. I serve. I am invisible.”
- The theft gives him a private, secret self—a form of control and possession in a life where he has little power.
- His “loyalty” may be the only script he has for attachment. The stealing is the unsanctioned, compulsive expression of that attachment.
So yes, a fetish disorder can manifest through extreme loyalty—but it is more accurate to say that **the fetish is the engine, and the loyalty is the relational frame**. The loyalty may be real, but it is entangled with obsession, compulsion, and violation.
### What it is not
- It is not proof that he feels nothing.
- It is not proof that he feels only sexual desire.
- It is not healthy loyalty.
- It is not excused by autism, trauma, or fetishism.
- It is a violation of privacy, property, and trust. It can be deeply distressing and traumatic for the victim.
### Bottom line
A fetish disorder can absolutely express itself in a way that resembles extreme loyalty, especially in a service role with a powerful, inaccessible woman and a highly controlled environment. The butler may feel devoted, but the stealing is not loyalty—it is a compulsive, possessive, fetishistic attachment acted out in secret. The number of items—340—points to a chronic, ritualized pattern, likely involving fetishism plus kleptomania or obsessive hoarding. It requires forensic and clinical evaluation, and it is not something that loyalty, trauma, or neurodivergence can excuse.
But one phrase regarding a box is quite a conspiracy theory. I honestly believe the issue is somewhere else. Everyone focuses on what can be in that box over what that guy could have eventually caused or whom he connected with...
So yes, I do not care what was in the box, but a lot with whom he jerked off over undies in perfume and if that is connected to some cocaine drowned night club places.
I see a bitching session when I come across one, since recently.
